President Trump Tests Positive For COVID-19

Do me a favor.

Tell that to your bubby and let me know what she says.

I’ll wait.

Like I said, I’ll wait.

It’s easy to post anonymous comments, have a fun argument, etc, when people don’t know who you are.

But most people wouldn’t even consider saying something like that to their bubby.

I think that says it all. But hey, if you would tell your bubby you don’t care to be bothered to wear a mask to protect her, kuddos to you for being a straight shooter.

No logical difference? Lol, ok.
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Lets start with this:

“The 2016 national data shows that:

Distraction-related deaths (3,450 fatalities) decreased by 2.2 percent;
Drowsy-driving deaths (803 fatalities) decreased by 3.5 percent;
Drunk-driving deaths (10,497 fatalities) increased by 1.7 per­cent;
Speeding-related deaths (10,111 fatalities) increased by 4.0 percent;
Unbelted deaths (10,428 fatalities) increased by 4.6 percent;
Motorcyclist deaths (5,286 fatalities – the largest number of motorcyclist fatalities since 2008) increased by 5.1 percent;
Pedestrian deaths (5,987 fatalities – the highest number since 1990) increased by 9.0 percent; and
Bicyclist deaths (840 fatalities – the highest number since 1991) increased by 1.3 percent.”

Where exactly did you get 100k from?
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The fact that we have speed limits is itself the proof you agree masks are a good idea. Both are limitations

To say no masks should be required is saying there should be NO speed limits.

Do you have any idea how many millions of dollars and countless hours of research has gone into picking the exact speed limits for a given area?
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To quote yuneeq on DDF:

“35,000 deaths a year for cars is nothing compared to 200k+ in 7 months with most of that time spent trying to get it under control. Imagine people only used cars to go to grocery stores and still managed to kill 350k people annually, 10x your number. What would the death rate in cars be if people drove everywhere – likely over a million. Is that a number which will make you consider the risk of driving? Or do we accept any risk no matter how high because that’s life. 35k deaths for the flu is a made up number. The confirmed death rate is 3-15k annually, which is why you rarely heard of people dying from the flu but you know more that died from COVID in a single week.”

As I said about, and to be frank, it’s not an interesting question.

We do impose speed limits to protect people.

You are not making an apples to apples comparison.

You are asking if the speed limit isn’t 40mph, why should we wear masks.

But the fact that there is a speed limit in it of itself, is the same logical reason why we should be wearing masks.

Your entire premise is answering your “interesting” question. Hence it’s really not all that interesting in the first place.

If you really want to think about it more though, think about School Zones, where the speed limit is 15-25mph.

Speed limit laws are a fantastic example of why people SHOULD be wearing masks, because they save lives and protect those most vulnerable such as the school zone example…

You clearly don’t understand my point.

You are saying there are tough decisions to be made on what risk to benefit ratio we are comfortable with as a society.

And how it’s a novel moral dilemma.

This isn’t novel at all.

This is all addressing:

“There’s a logical case to be made that younger people shouldn’t need to be uncomfortable to protect older vulnerable people taking risks by going to public places. Do you also support lowering highway speed limits to 40 mph to protect the older drivers with slower reflexes from getting into a car accident?
If grandma wants to drive, it’s a risk she’s taking and others shouldn’t be inconvenienced to protect her.”

You said “people shouldn’t be inconvenienced to protect her?” But that is exactly what we do every day. We DO IN FACT HAVE SPEED LIMITS.

So to say speed limits bring up the question of whether we need to wear masks is not valid.

Speed limits show that we do have laws to protect people. Therefor it’s logical to have laws to wear masks, as that protects people.

And when people are more at risk such as a school zone or a residential neighborhood, the speed limits ARE lower.

So please, stop saying that the fact that speed limits aren’t 40mph, proves we don’t need to wear masks. The fact that we have varying speed limits based on areas, proves we should have an obligation and laws TO WEAR MASKS.

And to say that we shouldn’t drive is in itself also ridiculous, there is of course a risk benefit ratio. Society would not function, commerce would not be possible, getting life saving drugs, hospitals, etc etc would not be possible in a modern world without cars. It’s almost as bad a advocating to close all hospitals because people die there…Or if you suggested to close pharmacies during the beginning of the pandemic so people stay home, there is such a thing as essential to life, and driving in a modern world is of course essential to life.

Worried about getting a headache from wearing a mask? Not essential to life, sorry.

And your summation of all this is that young people should not have to wear masks in public? Ok, I’m out. You said I wasn’t being logical, but now you’ve gone off the deep end.

Please read this again, if you want to change position that’s fine, but I am working within the confines of the point you were trying to make, and I showed it proves the exact opposite point:

“There’s a logical case to be made that younger people shouldn’t need to be uncomfortable to protect older vulnerable people taking risks by going to public places. Do you also support lowering highway speed limits to 40 mph to protect the older drivers with slower reflexes from getting into a car accident?
If grandma wants to drive, it’s a risk she’s taking and others shouldn’t be inconvenienced to protect her.”